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  • John MCGUIRE

    John MCGUIRE[1, 2, 3]

    Male 1756 - 1837  (80 years)

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    • Name John MCGUIRE  [4
      • Attention World!!!

        John McGuire (born 1756) is not the son of James McGuire (who died at the Battle of Blue Lick)

        Please read the full explanation much further down the page.


      Born 22 Apr 1756  Fermanagh County, Ireland (or Feremaugh) Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2, 3, 5
      Gender Male 
      Military Jul 1780  Mercer County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
      Four weeks military service fighting Indians. 
      • John McGuire served under General George R. Clark.
        [6]
      Residence 1782  Montgomery County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
      Residence for 1782 Tax Rolls for Virginia 
      • In John's pension application for the Revolutionary War, he states that he was enlisted in July 1780 from Mercer County, Virginia. Mercer County was not officially established until 1837. Mercer County was cut from Giles & Tazewell Counties. Giles County was not formed until 1806. It was formed out of Montgomery & Tazewell Counties. Therefore, I am concluding that the 1782 tax roles for Montgomery County, VA, which included John McGuire, could very well be for my own John McGuire.
      Tax List of Montgomery County VA in 1782
      Tax List of Montgomery County VA in 1782
      Military Oct 1782  Mercer County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
      Five weeks enlistment fighting Indians.
       

      • It was during this enlistment that John McGuire's company of soldiers pursued the Indians who had killed many settlers, including James McGuire, at the Battle of Blue Licks. This campaign went into southern Ohio before the Indians all dispersed.

        John served under General George R. Clark.
        [6]
      George Rogers Clark and His Men: Military Records, 1778-1784
      George Rogers Clark and His Men: Military Records, 1778-1784
      A few selected pages from this document which document the service of James McGuire and John McGuire.
      Other 17 Jan 1783  Lincoln County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
      John McGuire files for a land grant for 200 acres in Lincoln County, KY. 
      • Jno McGuire in the Kentucky, Land Grants, 1782-1924

        Grantee: Jno McGuire
        Number of Acres: 200
        Survey Date: 17 Jan 1783
        County: Linciln
        Watercourse: Dix R
        Book Number: 4

        [Apparently, John McGuire's land was at the confluence of the Kentucky and Dix Rivers.] [8]
      Other 7 Feb 1783  Lincoln County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
      John McGuire files for a land grant for 140 acres along Dicks [or Dix] River. 
      • Jno McGuire in the Kentucky, Land Grants, 1782-1924

        Grantee: Jno McGuire
        Number of Acres: 140
        Survey Date: 7 Feb 1783
        County: Lincoln
        Watercourse: Dicks R
        Book Number: 1

        [Apparently, John McGuire's land was at the confluence of the Kentucky and Dix Rivers.]

        [8]
      Other 1792  Bath County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [9
      John McGuire was shot by Indians 
      • From an article in the book, "An Illustrated History of Bath County, Kentucky and Notes & Anecdotes of Many Years" by J.A. Richards (Copyright 1961) published by Southwest Printers, 30 west Third Street, Yuma, Az.
        Page 197-VI: "In 1792 John McGuire was riding a little bay mare on Mill Creek, hunting cows. He had crossed over Mill Creek and was trotting along Ely's Branch when he was fired upon by the Indians concealed in the bushes and fell from his horse after being shot through the breast. His horse, however, was standing perfectly still so he raised himself up, still holding the rein of the bridle in his hand, when casting his eye around he saw a large Indian coming towards him with his butcher knife in his teeth and trying to get his tomahawk out of his belt. McGuire knew the time for action was at hand, and being a powerful man, he summoned all of his strength, and by an extraordinary effort, he made a spring and jumped astride his faithful mare, and she darted off in the direction of the furnance. The Indians fired at him as he left, but without effect. He arrived there safely and finally recovered from his wound."
        [9]
      John McGuire shot by Indians
      John McGuire shot by Indians
      Census 1800  Montgomery County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [10
      Residence for 1800 Kentucky Tax Rolls 
      1800 Kentucky Tax Rolls McGuire
      1800 Kentucky Tax Rolls McGuire
      Includes several McGuire names including John McGuire of Montgomery County and John McGuire of Clark County
      Other 1809  Malone, Morgan County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
      John McGuire and wife Nan were accepted "by letter" into the South Fork Baptist Church at Malone, Kentucky. 
      Census 1810  Montgomery County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location 
      Residence for 1810 Census 
      • Name John Meguire

        Home in 1810 (City, County, State) Montgomery, Kentucky
        Free White Persons - Males - Under 10 1 (Samuel)
        Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 1 (John)
        Free White Persons - Females - Under 10 3
        Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25 1 (Nancy)
        Number of Household Members Under 16 4
        Number of Household Members Over 25 1
        Number of Household Members 6
        [11]
      1810 Census John McGuire Family Montgomery
      1810 Census John McGuire Family Montgomery
      Census 1820  Montgomery County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [12
      Residence for 1820 Census 

      • Name John Mcguire
        Home in 1820 (City, County, State) Montgomery, Kentucky
        Enumeration Date August 7, 1820
        Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over 1 (John)
        Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over 1 (Nancy)
        Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture 1
        Free White Persons - Over 25 2
        Total Free White Persons 2
        Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other 2
        [12]
      1820 Census John McGuire Family
      1820 Census John McGuire Family
      Military Service 4 Jan 1834  Morgan County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location 
      John was approved for his Revolutionary War Pension 

      • In "Revolutionary Soldiers in Kentucky" page 202, John McGuire is show as having been approved for his pension in the amount of $20 on Jan. 4, 1834 at the age of 78. He had been a Private in the Virginia line.

      Died 10 Apr 1837  Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2, 3, 13
      Buried John Hammond Cemetery, Bloomington Salyersville, KY 41465 Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 13


      • U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
        Name: John McGuire
        Service Info.: PVT US ARMY REVOLUTIONARY WAR
        Birth Date: 22 Apr 1756
        Death Date: 10 Apr 1837
        Cemetery: John Hammond Cemetery
        Cemetery Address: Bloomington Salyersville, KY 41465
      John McGuire 1756 1837 Headstone
      John McGuire 1756 1837 Headstone
      Reposted from Ancestry.com
      Person ID I2389  Blecha/McDaniel
      Last Modified 21 Aug 2016 

      Father Unknown MCGUIRE 
      Family ID F1623  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

      Family Nancy HOLDER,   b. 1756, Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 2 May 1837, Morgan County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years) 
      Married 1775  Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  [14
      Children 
      +1. Rebecca Jane MCGUIRE,   b. 1779, Virgina Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1858, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 79 years)
      +2. James MCGUIRE,   b. 1780, Virgina Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Mar 1870, Morgan County, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 90 years)
      +3. John MCGUIRE,   b. Abt 1781, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1840  (Age ~ 59 years)
       4. George W MCGUIRE,   b. Abt 1784, Lincoln, Kentucky Find all individuals with events at this location
      +5. Samuel Wallace MCGUIRE,   b. 14 Apr 1791, Mercer County, KY Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Sept 20, 1872, Saline County, Missouri Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 80 years)
      Family ID F775  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    • Event Map
      Link to Google MapsBorn - 22 Apr 1756 - Fermanagh County, Ireland (or Feremaugh) Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsMarried - 1775 - Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsMilitary - Four weeks military service fighting Indians. - Jul 1780 - Mercer County, Virginia Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsResidence - Residence for 1782 Tax Rolls for Virginia - 1782 - Montgomery County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsMilitary - Five weeks enlistment fighting Indians. - Oct 1782 - Mercer County, Virginia Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsOther - John McGuire files for a land grant for 200 acres in Lincoln County, KY. - 17 Jan 1783 - Lincoln County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsOther - John McGuire files for a land grant for 140 acres along Dicks [or Dix] River. - 7 Feb 1783 - Lincoln County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsOther - John McGuire was shot by Indians - 1792 - Bath County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsCensus - Residence for 1800 Kentucky Tax Rolls - 1800 - Montgomery County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsOther - John McGuire and wife Nan were accepted "by letter" into the South Fork Baptist Church at Malone, Kentucky. - 1809 - Malone, Morgan County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsCensus - Residence for 1810 Census - 1810 - Montgomery County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsCensus - Residence for 1820 Census - 1820 - Montgomery County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsMilitary Service - John was approved for his Revolutionary War Pension - 4 Jan 1834 - Morgan County, Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsDied - 10 Apr 1837 - Kentucky Link to Google Earth
      Link to Google MapsBuried - - John Hammond Cemetery, Bloomington Salyersville, KY 41465 Link to Google Earth
       = Link to Google Earth 

    • Documents
      Relocation of McGuire Graves in 1889
      Relocation of McGuire Graves in 1889
      From "The Richmond Climax", Aug. 7, 1889
      From Newspapers.com
      Found by John Benoit in 2016

      Histories
      Description of Battle of Blue Lick: James and John McGuire
      Description of Battle of Blue Lick: James and John McGuire
      Both James McGuire and John McGuire served under Maj. Hugh McGrary, Captain Gordon, Captain Kellar, Col. James Herod, Col. Benjamin Logan and General George Rogers Clark, along with Daniel Boone, in the final major battle of Revolutionary War.

      Albums
      Revolutionary War Veteran: John McGuire 1756-1737
      Revolutionary War Veteran: John McGuire 1756-1737 (20)
      The description of John's war service is included along with the files from the military pension office.
      John G. McGuire on Uncle John McGuire
      John G. McGuire on Uncle John McGuire (4)
      This is a transcription of the biographical notes contained in John Jay Dickey's (1842-1934) Baptist Minister's Diary. The statement from John G. McGuire helps to clarify that the son of James "Blue Lick" McGuire who was named "John McGuire" is not the same person as John McGuire (1756-1837) of Floyd & Morgan County.

    • Notes 
      • Attention World!!!

        John McGuire (born 1756) is not the son of James McGuire (who died at the Battle of Blue Lick)

        Making a statement like this is almost sacrilegious among many descendants of John McGuire, but if you believe in needing facts to back up your decisions as they relate to our ancestors, please disregard what a dozens of other websites might say, and accept the fact this John McGuire (born 1756) is not the son of James "Blue Lick" McGuire. Please read on to see the documentation.

        James "Blue Lick" McGuire did have a son named "John". That is where the confusion comes in. He was about the same age as John (b. 1756). After James was killed in the Battle of Blue Lick, several of his children and his widow lived out their lives in Kentucky near Booneville.

        The first documentable piece of evidence about John (son of James) McGuire comes from the testimonial written down by John Jay Dickey as he interviewed John Guyer McGuire in the late 1800?s. John Dickey, a Baptist Minister, recognized at the time that an enormous amount of Kentucky history was going to be lost as many of the old-timers were getting up in age and passing away. So, he began a diary in which he interviewed hundreds of people. Their stories were captured in his diary which was over 6,000 pages long. On pages 2,397 & 2,398 is the interview of John G. McGuire.

        John's father was Archibald McGuire, son of James "Blue Lick" McGuire. Among other things that are described in this interview is a clear statement about his "uncle John" [brother to Archibald and son of "Blue Lick"]. Uncle John moved to Greenup County and reared a large family. THAT is the son of James "Blue Lick" McGuire, not John McGuire who moves to Montgomery/Morgan County. [See complete interview and documentation above].

        The next piece of documentation that establishes John (son of James) McGuire as living in the Greenup County area is found in a newspaper article published in Richmond Kentucky in 1889. [See copy above] The article describes how the graves of Margaret (widow of James "Blue Lick") and those of other family members had to be relocated. This takes place in/near Beattyville, which is just north of Booneville (consistent with where John Guyer McGuire described the family as living). The article briefly describes the family members, but clearly states how John (son of James) had moved to the Little Sandy River area. This is in/near Greenup County, Kentucky, again consistent with the description from John Guyer McGuire. This, again, puts John (son of James) in Greenup County, not in Montgomery/Morgan County, where John (born 1756) had moved.

        The final pieces of information that further corroborate the fact that John (son of James) was not John (1756) is found the 1800 Kentucky tax rolls, the 1810 and 1820 census data. [See copies shown on this website] In the 1800 tax rolls, John (son of James) can be found in Clark County, while John (1756) is in Montgomery County (later changed to Morgan County). In the 1810 and 1820 census data, John (son of James) is found in Greenup County, consistent with John Guyer McGuire's testimony and the 1889 news article. John McGuire (1756) is listed again in Montgomery County (later to become Morgan County).

        The data above should be more than enough to persuade folks that John McGuire (1756) is not the son of James "Blue Lick" McGuire. The other piece of logic that I offer to further solidify this position comes with John's (1756) application for a Revolutionary War Pension in 1834. Clearly, John did fight in the Revolutionary War and he was very much a part of serving in the same company of soldiers who lost their lives at Blue Lick. John, himself, did not fight at Blue Lick, but he was a member of the militia who went after the Indians and chased them into Ohio. In his application [See copy of application attached here], John explains all the events that surrounded his involvement, who his officers were, and where they were located. If John's (1756) father (or brother) had fought and died at Blue Lick, I cannot imagine that he would not have included that in his application. He did not. Of course not, because it was not his father who had died. John's application was approved and he did receive his pension.

        Because so many other websites have shown James "Blue Lick" McGuire as the father to John McGuire (born 1756), it will always be a challenge to get people to alter their perceptions and to change the names in their own family trees. However, I hope that the above will be enough for those who prefer actual documentation over the erroneous family trees that are posted all over the Internet.

      • Article by John Williams (obtained from J.T. Pieratt) "From the Wayside: Gathered During Idle Hours By the Peavine"
        "A John McGuire, who it has been said was a brother to James, appears in Clark County, Kentucky, records. His wife was Nancy ___ [Holder] and he has left numerous descendents in the Licking River territory."


        U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
        Name: John McGuire
        Gender: male
        Birth Place: Ir
        Birth Year: 1756
        Spouse Name: Nancy Holden
        Spouse
        Birth Place: Ir
        Spouse Birth Year: 1756
        Marriage
        Year: 1775
        Marriage State: KY
        Number Pages: 1

        Source Citation: Source number: 2558.030; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: .

        Source Information:

        Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004. Original data: This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, querie.


      • From the manuscript "John McGuire: Revolutionary Pensioner of Morgan County, Kentucky" compiled by Isabel D. McGuire, wife of John W. McGuire, Jr. of Leawood, Kansas, submitted to the Kennedy Memorial Library in West Liberty, Kentucky, date July 28, 2000.

        Page 177:

        "Who were the brothers of James McGuire, Sr., killed at Blue Licks?,

        The 1770s tax lists of Botetourt County, Virginia (later Greenbrier County, Virginia) are convincing but not absolute proof that James McGuire, Sr., who was killed at the Battle of Blue Licks: John McGuire, Sr.; William McGuire, Sr.; and Cornelius McGuire, Sr. were brothers. A Thomas McGuire who lived a neighbor to William McGuire, Sr., on Silver Creek, Madison County, Kentucky, may or may not be a brother to the four senior McGuires on the above referred to tax lists. John McGuire, Sr., on this tax list was deceased in or before 1780..."

      • Children of John McGuire (1756-1837):

        Isabel D. McGuire, wife of John W. McGuire (from Leawood, Kansas) in her manuscript, "John McGuire: Revolutionary Pensioner of Morgan County, Kentucky" placed on file at the public library in West Liberty, Kentucky stated that she only had evidence of 3 children: Jane, James & Samuel.

        However, the Family Group Sheets that I obtained from J.T. Pieratt of Nicholasville,, KY, probably being those of Ruth Eager Moran, listed two additional children: John McGuire and George W. McGuire.

      • Credits:

        I had put off entering a lot of McGuire Family history into my genealogy for a while because there has been so much misinformation that has clouded accurate research. There are still many mysteries and unresolved questions in the McGuire history. However, I think that after reviewing the hard work of many earlier genealogists, I am ready to proceed with making certain assumptions regarding the McGuire lineage.

        Early genealogists had to do their research entirely through the examination of first and second-hand documents. Weaving through old tax-lists, military archives, family bibles, wills and census documents while traveling the country to visit actual sites or waiting for months for snail-mail inquiries must have been extremely exhausting and slow. However, this hands-on process may have allowed for a more thorough examination of the data. With thousands of people hooked up to Ancestry.com, Family Search, Rootsweb and others, part-time genealogists can easily enter erroneous data then upload it on to the web so others can see. Without any attempts at verification, it becomes replicated over and over to where the inaccurate data appears in hundreds of places. The misinformation becomes accepted as "family history".

        The researchers I have examined with regard to the McGuire line have done an excellent job of challenging assumptions and speculation. They have sought out documentable evidence to support their entries. J. T. Pieratt of Nicholasville, Kentucky and Henrietta McKinney of Morgan County, Kentucky have been extremely helpful. J. T. had assembled the works of many other researchers including Arch B. Bowman (Booneville, KY), Ruth Eager Moran (Oklahoma) and Lois Tincher Dorsey. Mrs. Isabel D. McGuire (Kansas) submitted a publication in 2000 to the public library in West Liberty, Kentucky as a celebration of her 60th wedding anniversary. That work entitled, "John McGuire: Revolutionary Pensioner of Morgan County, Kentucky" was a great treasure. She credits much of her success in the compilation of McGuire history to the late Elmyra McGuire Royse (Oklahoma) and Eric Passmore White's "The McGuire Genealogy" and others.

        Questions to be Resolved:

        A. James "Blue Lick" McGuire and John McGuire (1756-1837) Are they related? Are they brothers or is John the son of James?

        B. Are there other brothers that can be reasonably connected to either James or John?

        C. Can we identify the parents of either James "Blue Lick" McGuire or John McGuire (1756-1837)?

        D. Who is the father of James McGuire (1794-1863, Morgan County); i.e. who conceives James with Rebecca Jane McGuire?

        E. Who are the other McGuires at the time of the American Revolution and early Kentucky, specifically Capt. John McGuire of Virginia?


        A. James "Blue Lick" McGuire and John McGuire (1756-1837) Are they related? Maybe. There is just no proof at this time.

        There had been an assumption, probably taken from the Connally and Coulter's Kentucky History that James "Blue Lick" McGuire was the son of John McGuire, King of a Province in Ireland. There is no historical proof of that statement.


    • Sources 
      1. [S283] McGuire Family Group Sheet by Arch B. Bowman.

      2. [S456] DAR Patriot Index, National Society: Daughters of the American Revolution, (Gateway Press, Inc. Baltimore MD, 2003), Volume II: G-O.

      3. [S467] U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006~~Name: John McGuire ~~Service Info.: PVT US ARMY REVOLUTIONARY WAR ~~Birth Date: 22 Apr 1756 ~~Death Date: 10 Apr 1837 ~~Cemetery: John Hammond Cemetery ~~Cemetery Address: .

      4. [S1744] Various records researched on Ancestry.com.

      5. [S468] McGuire Family Group Sheets, provided to me by J.T. Pieratt (Nicholasvillie, KY) (Original author unknown).

      6. [S1079] John McGuire Manuscript by Isabel D. McGuire, Isabel D. McGuire.

      7. [S1662] Tax List of Montgomery County, Virgina 1782, Mary B. Kegley, (Family History Library), 975.5 A1 no. 51.

      8. [S1658] Kentucky, Land Grants, 1782-1924 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997. .

      9. [S986] An Illustrated History of Bath County, Kentucky with Historical & Biographical Sketches and Notes & Annecdotes of Many Years, J. A. Richards, 157.
        Article describes how John McGuire was shot by Indians, but not killed, and how he managed to get away.

        Author is J. A. Richards


      10. [S1815] Kentucky, Tax Lists, 1799-1801.

      11. [S1819] 1810; Census Place: Montgomery, Kentucky; Roll: 7; Page: 362; Image: 00372; Family History Library Film: 0181352 .

      12. [S1659] 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Montgomery, Kentucky; Page: 239; NARA Roll: M33_25; Image: 137.


      13. [S423] U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006~~Name: John McGuire ~~Service Info.: PVT US ARMY REVOLUTIONARY WAR ~~Birth Date: 22 Apr 1756 ~~Death Date: 10 Apr 1837 ~~Cemetery: John Hammond Cemetery ~~Cemetery Address: .

      14. [S422] U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., .


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